Google sitemap penalty

[Paz]

Hi,

I'm sure like me you've seen anecdotal evidence of people suffering a penalty in Google after submitting an xml sitemap.

I've never believed there was a direct connection until I read an article suggesting that if you have a site with lots of orphaned pages not in your sitemap, you could fall foul of a penalty for having doorway pages.

For those of you who don't know, a doorway page is a keyword stuffed page that usually isn't linked from anywhere in your site (ie isn't linked internally). The idea is that people will land on your doorway page and be directed to a home page more suited for humans. Here's an example of a doorway page:
http://www.hotelsbookingnetwork.com/doorway/istanbul-cruise.htm

in a folder called "doorway" just to help the SE's find them and ban their site :???:

Anyway, the article suggested that lots of orphaned pages could be a sign of a site that was using doorway pages, and if you somehow ended up with a Google sitemap that was missing lots of links to pages that Google knew were there, you could be penalised algorithmically.

I didn't believe it and I closed the link without saving it.... but on reflection I'm wondering.

Anyone have lots of orphaned pages that are indexed in Google, but aren't linked internally? Any sign of a penalty?

Cheers,
Paz.

[Chatmaster]

That is a very interesting thought. This then also means that websites using url's to track affiliate conversions will have huge trouble. We once used tagged url's to track affiliate traffic and eventually dropped it because from an SEO perspective it didn't make sense having the SE's looking at these pages as different pages and loosing the benefits from PR, bl's and so forth. Those links would usually be something like index.asp?tag=12345 We still have many of those url's and the marketing department is still using it to track their campaigns. We also make use of so called "splash pages" (Which in effect is Doorway pages) for specific promotions and campaigns to improve conversions and it has nothing to do with Search Engines. However they do get indexed but we haven't been penalized. None of these pages are in our Google sitemap. If any SE do infact have this in their algo, they should really consider that there other reasons why these pages might not appear in the xml.

[daniel]

I think that Google is smarter than we think., they have bough all these tools in to "help" their users, however, i think its just to help them build a database for themselves.

Think about it, Google analytics gives them all our conversion data, prices etc
Google sitemap tells them exactly what pages we have and Google trends gives i tiny view of their database

They scan google mail and show adsense, give some crappy data with the toolbar and watch where we surf.


mmm, something to think about

[Operioure]

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[Dave A]

I've pretty much set robots.txt to excluded everything that is not in my xml sitemaps. Hopefully this reduces the potential for penalties like these. Although I suppose I'm hurting myself if an SE finds something like a tags page that it likes.

Mixed blessings.

[kenneth.robert]

That is a very interesting thought. This then also means that websites using url's to track affiliate conversions will have huge trouble. We once used tagged url's to track affiliate traffic and eventually dropped it because from an SEO perspective it didn't make sense having the SE's looking at these pages as different pages and loosing the benefits from PR, bl's and so forth. Those links would usually be something like index.asp?tag=12345 We still have many of those url's and the marketing department is still using it to track their campaigns. We also make use of so called "splash pages" (Which in effect is Doorway pages) for specific promotions and campaigns to improve conversions and it has nothing to do with Search Engines. However they do get indexed but we haven't been penalized. None of these pages are in our Google sitemap. If any SE do infact have this in their algo, they should really consider that there other reasons why these pages might not appear in the xml.

I agree with you thanx

[newbie2010]

Thanks for informing such big issue.

[charmmarkin]

it was a coincidence. Google will not be penalized for filing a site map. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But not replace HTML and XML Sitemaps normal scan.

[marlyneharpe]

Yes, it was a mere coincidence. Google will not penalize you for submitting a Sitemap. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But neither HTML nor XML Sitemaps replace the normal crawling process.But You have to careful about ROBOT.TXT File in sitemap as well for security reason.

[Adrienntom]

According to my knowledge the number of addresses provided reflects the number of unique addresses progress on the map of your site, not the number of entries in the file. If Google found that a large number of duplicate addresses, and we may limit the number of URLs that we are to include this number.

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[kalenbailey]

Its right that We can get although thing through Google. But I have heard that Google penalize on many site-map. My colleague had also got penalty on his sites.

[jeanduminy]

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[sifymartin]

It was a coincidence. Google will not be penalized for filing a site map. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But not replace HTML and XML Sitemaps normal scan. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But neither HTML nor XML Sitemaps replace the normal crawling process.

[smithsbravo]

This is a very interesting idea. It also means that the URL for tracking affiliate sites access extremely difficult. We have already used URL tags track affiliate traffic and ultimately SEO point of the falls is a feeling these pages, they looked at various aspects of PR, BL losing benefits, and so on. These links are usually a number index.asp? Tag = 12345 We still used to your campaign tracking URLs, and much marketing department.

[arnoldtaylor]

Google will not be penalized for filing a brief. Sitemap for your website that you can understand us and help to accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your website a way to give to the sides. But HTML and XML sitemaps do not replace normal scan. Sitemap for your website that you can understand us and help to accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your website a way to give to the sides. But as an HTML or XML sitemap is instead of the normal review process.

[danialclarcke]

It is impossible to infer a universal behavior, from this site. This will require testing. But seems to be:

1. Google is the true rating (and penalties) Web site based on their outbound links.
2. Member links and / or its subsidiaries may be included in a script block "spam penalty. "
3. Adsense's (mis) usage is irrelevant.
4. A small number of pages can lead to a fine of the entire site (in this case, 2 out of 20).
5. When Google penalize a site with "spam penalty " it will still crawl the site, but may reduce the frequency.

[henryponting]

It was an accident. Google will not be penalized in the structure. Sitemaps us as your website so that you understand and can help speed up finding new sites and update their web sites. But this does not change the HTML and XML sitemaps normal scan. Sitemaps us as your website so that you understand and can help speed up finding new sites and update their web sites. Any HTML or XML sitemap common location crawling process.

[sandysbravo]

A simple Google will not be penalized for filing. Sitemap for your website so you can understand, we need to accelerate your web site and updated on both sides to find a new site will help. Routine control, but to replace HTML and XML sitemap. Sitemap for your website so you can understand, we need to accelerate your web site and updated on both sides to find a new site will help. However, instead of in HTML or XML sitemap of the normal review process.

[camlyhardy]

Google does not penalize the implementation of a site plan. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the site's pages, and can accelerate the discovery of new pages and update the site. But it is not a replacement for HTML and XML Sitemaps normal scan.

[shandymartin]

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[deneyalmark]

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[kunism97]

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[vergara87]

It was a coincidence. Google will not be penalized for filing a site map. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But not replace HTML and XML Sitemaps normal scan. Sitemaps provide a way for us to understand that the pages you have on your site, and can help accelerate the discovery of new pages and update your site. But neither HTML nor XML Sitemaps replace the normal crawling process.

[euntt007]

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[bradmarais]

Wow, thanks for this. I have a joomla site that has article pages that are active but not published. This means that the SE could index it and find no link and penalise me. Thanks, I'm gona get rid of them all together.

[jhonhardy]

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[pharmawala]

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