Datagg
06-10-2006, 05:20 PM
Paz question..just how imprtant is that www rewrite..i ask for this, i have a maling list instaled on ymproducts.com and it will simply not work with the www rewrite..i have contacted the developer opf this prgram and he is at a complete loss....... my server tried it out, and confirmed it will not work with the rewrite at all..id have to drop it so it can work.....
so i tried this...and it dod work at this point......so as of now the www rewrtoe is off ymprouducts, yet stil lexosts on gfl...
I had a link prgram go crazy also with the rerwreite on gfl..lost allto of links...yet thru reinstal it works agin, rewrite engine on also.....
so thats where im at......use rewrite on ym and lose my 149 mailing miva script.....or drop it for the www part..as no one can find out why this is happening......
your thoughts on this Paz...
Dan
EDIT..... Yes Paz there is a new folder in the YMproducts directory ...in there is the scripts for the mailing list,
My host says that the www redirect is cuasing allot of errors in places...
for instance i lost my link system.......my mailing list also...
since the corruption, ive reinstalled the link machine and it works fine....
yet the scot script wont..scot doesnt get it either...... so as of now i have the rewrite working on http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com and not http://ymproducts.com just so i can get the mailing list to work....
I od try to send in that folder a rewrite engine off command, yet this did not work...
here are some thought from scot on the situation;
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Ok, I see what you're saying. I would do some research and make sure that when the rewrite happens, that it doesn't trash global variables. That's what the problem is, somehow the global variables are disappearing when the rewrite happens.
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Hi Dan,
I did a little bit of research. You definitely need to fix the .htaccess file so that it includes the variables. Here's a page with some useful information, looks like it loops through all the variables and includes them on the rewrite.
Scot
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Sorry, here it is:
http://corz.org/serv/tricks/htaccess2.php
There's a section called: lose the "www"
This might pertain to what you are doing. There's something about passing the variables, but I'm not savvy in this area so don't know the commands or syntax they are using.
Scot
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my host says this......
Hi Dan,
No, I don't know a way to force use of the www without using mod_rewrite. I also don't know a reason why google or other search engines would penalize based on www or non-www domains, or find duplicate pages because the non-www versions can be accessed as well as the www versions, but I'm also not a well-paid SEO expert.
To use the scotmail directory without interference from the mod_rewrite rules, it may work to place an .htaccess file in the scotmail directory with the command:
RewriteEngine Off-
to make a long story short...they are balming all these arros on that rewrite....
in the miva forum, many say to get a new host...they just simply dont know what they are doing...
1 said this.
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My first impression is to say...
Move to a new host.
Someone that not only knows how to configure a webserver properly, and one with some MIVA Knowledge. Website Source has a long history of poor performance and security.
The fact that they will not acknowledge the warnings issued by txdiag.mvc (which they discount because it is a third party module) points out serious flaws in their configuration.
They also do not know how to simply insert a DNS pointer to the www version of your domain name, or understand that www.domain.com can be a completely seperate server and IP address from domain.com.
This lack of knowledge is dangerous and puts your store at risk.
The anti-third party module stance also shows their ignorance of the MIVA product, and the fact that is built to be modular.
Moving your store to a MIVA Hosting Specialist will solve your ongoing problems. In fact, I can guarantee you wouldnt have these problems on our servers.
This is what txdiag.mvc SHOULD look like:
http://www.wpcomp.com/Merchant2/txdiag.mvc
Rather than fight with these guys to tweak their servers into configurations they are not knowledgeable or comfortable with is only asking for problems down the line. Insisting you uninstall re-writes and modules is NOT the answer. Correctly configuring the server is.
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so im at a loss here yall....... websitesource says its the rewrite.....this is causuing the probs..... if i drop the rewrite errors will dissapear.....yet i just ran a txdiag test on the dropepd rewrite on ymproducts, and it dont look good..i just sent hat to my host for them to see, im waiting for a reply on this...
and in the end here, money is tight.....what i have now is a host that shares the other domains. Http://girlfrienslingerie.com is the main..... and the others http://ymproducts.com and the in the works http://eroticnights4u.com and even a wrestling forum my bro runs at http://wrestlingrevolutionv2.com is all shared wit the main.... the forum obviosuly doesnt have miva with it, yet http://girlfriendslingerie.com and http://ymproducts.com are both miva 4..... http://eroticnights4u.com is actually miva 5.
Wolfpaw computers, as who wrote the above about my host, said to move just the problematic site over to them..they transfer all intact, no downtime guarantee////// yet its 34.99 for 1 domain.....I have 4////so cost goes ways up...
anyways, just wanted to post this all in here to see if anyone can shed any light on this..
oh here is the rewrite that my host gave me to allow the site to work..the original one prevented me from even logging into my control panel..stop people from orderign etc..this is what they cam up with, it seems t owork..yet as you can see, many say as scot that it doesnt...
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} .
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^girlfriendslingerie.websitesource.net [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www.girlfriendslingerie.com [NC]
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/$1 [R=301,L]
also this setup was on ymproducts also, yet just dropped do to the scot mailing list prblem...
thanks all, and sorry for the long post..
Dan
so i tried this...and it dod work at this point......so as of now the www rewrtoe is off ymprouducts, yet stil lexosts on gfl...
I had a link prgram go crazy also with the rerwreite on gfl..lost allto of links...yet thru reinstal it works agin, rewrite engine on also.....
so thats where im at......use rewrite on ym and lose my 149 mailing miva script.....or drop it for the www part..as no one can find out why this is happening......
your thoughts on this Paz...
Dan
EDIT..... Yes Paz there is a new folder in the YMproducts directory ...in there is the scripts for the mailing list,
My host says that the www redirect is cuasing allot of errors in places...
for instance i lost my link system.......my mailing list also...
since the corruption, ive reinstalled the link machine and it works fine....
yet the scot script wont..scot doesnt get it either...... so as of now i have the rewrite working on http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com and not http://ymproducts.com just so i can get the mailing list to work....
I od try to send in that folder a rewrite engine off command, yet this did not work...
here are some thought from scot on the situation;
----
Ok, I see what you're saying. I would do some research and make sure that when the rewrite happens, that it doesn't trash global variables. That's what the problem is, somehow the global variables are disappearing when the rewrite happens.
------------
Hi Dan,
I did a little bit of research. You definitely need to fix the .htaccess file so that it includes the variables. Here's a page with some useful information, looks like it loops through all the variables and includes them on the rewrite.
Scot
--------------
Sorry, here it is:
http://corz.org/serv/tricks/htaccess2.php
There's a section called: lose the "www"
This might pertain to what you are doing. There's something about passing the variables, but I'm not savvy in this area so don't know the commands or syntax they are using.
Scot
------------------
my host says this......
Hi Dan,
No, I don't know a way to force use of the www without using mod_rewrite. I also don't know a reason why google or other search engines would penalize based on www or non-www domains, or find duplicate pages because the non-www versions can be accessed as well as the www versions, but I'm also not a well-paid SEO expert.
To use the scotmail directory without interference from the mod_rewrite rules, it may work to place an .htaccess file in the scotmail directory with the command:
RewriteEngine Off-
to make a long story short...they are balming all these arros on that rewrite....
in the miva forum, many say to get a new host...they just simply dont know what they are doing...
1 said this.
-------------------
My first impression is to say...
Move to a new host.
Someone that not only knows how to configure a webserver properly, and one with some MIVA Knowledge. Website Source has a long history of poor performance and security.
The fact that they will not acknowledge the warnings issued by txdiag.mvc (which they discount because it is a third party module) points out serious flaws in their configuration.
They also do not know how to simply insert a DNS pointer to the www version of your domain name, or understand that www.domain.com can be a completely seperate server and IP address from domain.com.
This lack of knowledge is dangerous and puts your store at risk.
The anti-third party module stance also shows their ignorance of the MIVA product, and the fact that is built to be modular.
Moving your store to a MIVA Hosting Specialist will solve your ongoing problems. In fact, I can guarantee you wouldnt have these problems on our servers.
This is what txdiag.mvc SHOULD look like:
http://www.wpcomp.com/Merchant2/txdiag.mvc
Rather than fight with these guys to tweak their servers into configurations they are not knowledgeable or comfortable with is only asking for problems down the line. Insisting you uninstall re-writes and modules is NOT the answer. Correctly configuring the server is.
-------------
so im at a loss here yall....... websitesource says its the rewrite.....this is causuing the probs..... if i drop the rewrite errors will dissapear.....yet i just ran a txdiag test on the dropepd rewrite on ymproducts, and it dont look good..i just sent hat to my host for them to see, im waiting for a reply on this...
and in the end here, money is tight.....what i have now is a host that shares the other domains. Http://girlfrienslingerie.com is the main..... and the others http://ymproducts.com and the in the works http://eroticnights4u.com and even a wrestling forum my bro runs at http://wrestlingrevolutionv2.com is all shared wit the main.... the forum obviosuly doesnt have miva with it, yet http://girlfriendslingerie.com and http://ymproducts.com are both miva 4..... http://eroticnights4u.com is actually miva 5.
Wolfpaw computers, as who wrote the above about my host, said to move just the problematic site over to them..they transfer all intact, no downtime guarantee////// yet its 34.99 for 1 domain.....I have 4////so cost goes ways up...
anyways, just wanted to post this all in here to see if anyone can shed any light on this..
oh here is the rewrite that my host gave me to allow the site to work..the original one prevented me from even logging into my control panel..stop people from orderign etc..this is what they cam up with, it seems t owork..yet as you can see, many say as scot that it doesnt...
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} .
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^girlfriendslingerie.websitesource.net [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www.girlfriendslingerie.com [NC]
RewriteRule (.*) http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/$1 [R=301,L]
also this setup was on ymproducts also, yet just dropped do to the scot mailing list prblem...
thanks all, and sorry for the long post..
Dan